Topic: Caron

Hi all. Living in Australia means no access to Caron. I'm also still quite new to this, so I've never even tried one yet.

I'd like to buy one - one of the classics - but it will be a blind buy, most likely.

My questions are:

1. Is it worth getting classic Caron perfumes new?

2. Is vintage better? If so, which era/decade?

3. What do you think I would like, based on my perfume wardrobe? (I tend to favour orientals and floral orientals, mostly).

Thanks!  glad

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Re: Caron

By the way... I've just looked through the Carons in the database and have put some of those I think I might like in my test list. Not sure if you can see that?

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Hello - I also like orientals and floral orientals, but neither of the Carons I have sampled worked out for me:

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.2817.jpg Caron Bellodgia

heavy on cloves, rather overpowering

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.5593.jpg Caron Narcisse Noir

I expected to love it based on the notes, but it was very harsh on me.

So to answer your question 'is it worth it' - I would strongly suggest paying for samples first from one of the sites that ship internationally? I have other Carons still on my test list too, but would be leery of a blind buy.

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I love caron's fragrances. Some have survived better than others through reformulation, but I can't say that any are just as good as the vintages, especially within the past few years.

Carons have a very different composition than most perfumes. The vast majority of individuals I know find each and every one of them to be stuffy, introverted, and overly blended. Each one seems to have a single aroma rather than being composed of separate accords. I suppose LouLou is like that; Dune is perhaps a little bit as well.

The ones I think you may like:

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.2816.jpg  Caron Aimez - Moi

Not vintage at all, but a beautiful composition by the masterful Dominique Ropion. Actually one of my favorites from this perfumer.

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.5593.jpg  Caron Narcisse Noir

A very natural jasmine sambac and orange blossom over a very warm animalic base. It's really absolutely gorgeous. IMO, the most bang for the buck of the ones I'm recommending.

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.29.jpg  Caron Tabac Blond

One of my favorite perfumes in general, it's a very smokey clove cigarette scent over a lovely slightly leathery oriental base. Reminiscent of Shalimar in spirit. Prohibitvely expensive.

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.7431.jpg  Caron Poivre

Quite the elusive one, this is a great, smooth, and spicy oriental that is very wearable. It would be dull if it wasn't executed so perfectly. Quite a bit like the scent of Garam Masala, cookies, and incense. Prohibitively expensive.

Honestly, I wouldn't recommend blind buying any of the classic Caron scents. They are definitely very vintage in style. With the exception of Narcisse Noir, each and every one is beyond Victorian!

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Thank you so much Loving the Alien and katoy4. Maybe I will have to track down a friend with some of these to try, or get some samples. Even getting samples sent here is so expensive though...

I wanted to ask: what do you both think of Nuit de Noel?

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Thank you so much Loving the Alien and katoy4. Maybe I will have to track down a friend with some of these to try, or get some samples. Even getting samples sent here is so expensive though...

I wanted to ask: what do you both think of Nuit de Noel?

I adore it. I think this review still states how I feel:

This stuff is the 1920s in a bottle. Not the real 1920s, mind you, but the overly-made-up-so-you-can-see-their-features-in-black-and-white-movies kind of 1920s. It smells antique, but not a familiar kind of antique - almost like a fictional depiction of the past, such as in Nosferatu. Instead of aldehydes and powder, you are treated to (or forced into) civet, ylang-ylang and the incredibly alien and luxurious mousse de saxe base. Though a bit beguiling in the top notes, it reveals a very somber, yet comforting, funerary bouquet. The aroma that follows, the "mousse de saxe" base, is truly the love-it-or-leave-it moment for this fragrance. I was immediately stunned by its complexity. There is a distinct chypre element present, but it's wrong. Instead of the forest floor, it reminds me more of a cabin in the forest. When you attempt to relate the name to the fragrance, it sort of comes together. This is the kind of Christmas one would find in Grimm's fairy tales - The warmth of the fire, fur blankets, and dried herbs are merely a part of the larger setting of the twisted, treacherous winter forest outside. Perhaps this is what Christmas felt like in Russia in the 1800s.

The vintage extrait literally takes my breath away, but even the very most modern version of the Eau de Toilette is a positively excellent and wearable fragrance. Vintage jewelery optional; depression mandatory.

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I'm no Caron expert but I will say this, I bought a 1/4 ounce bottle of Nuit de Noel extrait blind after reading the reviews here on Fragrantica and on PerfumeShrine and I was very pleased with it. What a gorgeous fragrance! I also purchased Aimez Moi EDT and Bellodgia extrait blind and they are both winners. Then I acquired Parfum Sacre and Parfum Sacre Intense. Parfum Sacre (not the Intense) is my favorite of all and then Nuit de Noel. All are vintage and there wasn't a junker among them. They are all beautifully crafted fragrances and despite some of them being quite old, none had turned and all were outstanding. Fragrantica is the worst thing that has happened to me in a long time and it all began with the purchase of a bottle of reformulated L'Heure Bleue. If I had only known. I almost fell for a 1/4 ounce bottle of Tabac Blond extrait but I backed off because I'm afraid of liking another one! I would say, try and go vintage. I just believe that you can't go wrong with them.

Last edited by SixSidedTippy (2013-08-23 19:43:30)

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LTA, that sounds amazing. indeed, most of the reviews here on Fragrantica make NdN sound incredible. And Shalimar is my favourite perfume, so I do love 20s perfumes!

SixSidedTippy - I'm glad to hear you've had good blind buy Caron experiences! This is very reassuring. And yes, Fragrantica is a dangerous place! wink

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I have tried several Carons ( all present day formulas). I really like Caron Poivre (this is a spice bomb. Lots of pepper.),Bellodgia too,which is more tame than Poivre. A few of them have not been my cup of tea,but I don't really dislike them. Caron is probably my face niche house. They have created some truly well crafted perfumes.

Seasons come and go but vintages are a joy forever.

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Be sure you get http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.2817.jpg Caron Bellodgia at some point.  I have it in vintage pure parfum, but the EDP version is also good.  I don't have the EDT, so I can't speak to it.



http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.29.jpg Caron Tabac Blond in pure parfum I like over the vintage version. Most really love the vintage of this one, for me the current version is more wearable.

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.7427.jpg Caron Pois de Senteur  is really kind of a weird one.  If you can find it, try it



http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.17792.jpg Caron Caron Piu Bellodgia is the newest and lighter version.  I did not dig it much.



http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.4030.jpg Caron Montaigne  is really lovely, you can find this one on ebay for pretty cheap still (its in EDP)



Also

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.7425.jpg Caron Farnesiana  is really yummy if you're into mimosa.  Sometimes you can find it in EDP if you look hard, most often than not you'll find it in EDT or PP.  This one can sometimes be pricy though.

I've tried both vintage and current and like both of them.  There's some minor differences but not really enough to count IMO.



http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.7426.jpg Caron French Cancan  Blah.  I got a very tiny decant of the vintage and it was divine.  It did not do well with reformulation IMO.



http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.5593.jpg Caron Narcisse Noir and http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.7429.jpg Caron Narcisse Blanc  Both smell great.  I like Noir a bit more though.  Current version EDT is kind of short lived but PP is really nice and truer to the vintage version.

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Thank you so much! Sounds like you really know your Carons! Luckily today I found out that I can test some Carons at one of the department stores in my city - I had no idea... so I'm off this weekend to see what they have. glad

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Well, everyone knows I wear my love for Caron on my sleeve. I haven't tested any of the newest reformulations that come in this shaped bottle:

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.17794.jpg Caron Caron Nocturnes (2013)

so I can not speak to them.

I have literally never met a Caron I didn't like, and many/most I love, adore, worship, can not live without. On my skin, it just can't go wrong apparently.

Folks have covered the classics pretty well above, I would just add that

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.2919.jpg Caron Fleurs de Rocaille

is a beautiful fragrance, best in vintage parfum, but imminently wearable in EDP and EDT.

I vastly prefer it to the newer

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.2918.jpg Caron Fleur de Rocaille (1993)

My favorite of all time is vintage

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.4581.jpg Caron Nuit de Noel

extrait, but again, I find the EDT very wearable and user friendly as well.




Also love and wear (often)

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.2817.jpg Caron Bellodgia

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.3808.jpg Caron Infini

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.3837.jpg Caron Muguet du Bonheur

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.3304.jpg Caron Parfum Sacre

LOVE LOVE LOVE Parfum Sacre. So much so that I haven't been able to review it yet.


Of their more recent creations, I like

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.7422.jpg Caron Eau de Reglisse Liquorice by Caron

and

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.3928.jpg Caron Miss Rocaille

and

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.1420.jpg Caron Eaux de Caron Fraiche

and

http://fimgs.net/images/perfume/m.9073.jpg Caron Violette Precieuse

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Wow, thanks Cybernoir! So helpful!

I didn't mention yesterday that I also had the chance to try some of the Nuit de Noel vintage while visiting some perfume friends. It's lovely. I'm not sure what vintage it was, but it instantly reminded me of the current Chamade pure perfume.

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So glad you got to try the Carons. They are really nicely crafted.

Seasons come and go but vintages are a joy forever.

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Well, only the Nuit de Noel so far, but later today I will head in to the city to see what I can find. Of course, they will be the latest reformulations, but at least I will be able to try some! glad

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So... today I tried some Carons! Mostly the latest releases, as far as I can tell, though I think one tester was a bit older.

I love Parfum Sacre - I tried the version in the skinny purple bottle.

I like Bellodgia - in fact it's taken a good 3 hours to bloom on my skin and seems sweeter now.

Aimez Moi is nice, but a little sweet for me. Again, I tried the new one.

I tried some others too, but nothing else was much to my liking. I did like Nuit de Noel the other day too, but this was vintage.

I'm thinking I'll get Parfum Sacre and Nuit de Noel from Fragrancenet.

Do you guys know if their pictures are accurate? If so, looks like I'll be getting older versions...

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Glad you finally did a sampling of the Carons that piqued you interest.  Be careful with Fragrancenet.  They have a habit of using stock photos and that was where I bought that bottle of L'Heure Bleue EDP that was shown in one box in the photo and when I received it, was in the newest box and contained the reformulation which I returned for a refund.  My next purchase from them was a bottle of Guerlain Imperiale that was shown in the older box, I emailed them asking whether that indeed was the box and formulation that I would be receiving and they responded that indeed it was so I ordered it.  Guess what?  Upon receipt, it was the newer tri-toned gold box and newer formula instead of the one shown in the photo.  ??????

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Most of the Caron frags were recently fucked up pretty bad in reformulation. Luca Turin is very outspoken about this. Nuit de Noel is actually one of the few that is fairly nice in its current formula.

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lovingthealien wrote:

Most of the Caron frags were recently fucked up pretty bad in reformulation.

Well alrighty then, just put it to us mildly whydontcha?

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Ok - thanks guys. I tried the newest Parfum Sacre yesterday and thought it was pretty fabulous. I think this is one that's survived pretty well (Luca thinks so too). I guess that's one reason why I was posting here in the first place - vintage or new? I know some brands do better than others with reformulations...  Glad to know Nuit de Noel is also ok still LTA!

I'm on a very tight budget, and with limited access to test these, I might need to go new at first. We'll see... in any case Parfum Sacre is the one that I like best ATM!

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OK... so I'm pretty settled on getting Parfum Sacre. Which formulations do I stay away from? I've done a load of research and opinions are divided. Most people think the original is the best, followed by the Parfum Sacre Intense, released in 2010. I tried the EDP from 2010 in the purple column bottle and thought it was pretty fab. Should I absolutely stay away from the formulations in between these two, or is it a matter or opinion?

And... Nuit de Noel - obviously this has been around much longer. Which formulations are best? Will the more recent ones do, or should I steer clear?

Money is an issue - I can't spend hundreds of dollars sadly :(

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I'm 90% sure the one in the purple column bottle is the intense version. I have only smelled the original.

Vintage Nuit de Noel is really inexpensive because it floods the market. Largely because of the name, it was given as a gift to many, many people. It's absolutely not a safe gifting perfume!

The EDT is nice, but the extract is amazing.

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lovingthealien wrote:

I'm 90% sure the one in the purple column bottle is the intense version. I have only smelled the original.

Vintage Nuit de Noel is really inexpensive because it floods the market. Largely because of the name, it was given as a gift to many, many people. It's absolutely not a safe gifting perfume!

The EDT is nice, but the extract is amazing.

I think the column version has both EDP and intense - at least that's what I think was in the store yesterday when I tried it. The EDP has a bumpy finish, and I've found pics online of the intense, which is a smooth purple glass.

I'll keep my eye out for vintage Nuit de Noel!

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I purchased Parfum Sacre in the EDT first. It came in a clear glass pear-shaped bottle with a cream colored top. I loved it so much that I went for the EDP in the same bottle and top but the top was clear glass. I then sprung for the parfum that is in the same bottle and top but smaller and the top was gold. The EDT and EDP were 3.3 oz bottles and the parfum came in a 1.69 oz bottle. The EDT and EDP were splashes and the parfum was a spray. If you look at the Parfum Sacre review page here, the bottle at the top of the page is exactly like the ones that all my formulas came in. They are all exceptional. I found all of mine on eBay and was extremely pleased with my purchases. redsuedekitten, I realize that you are located in Australia but you may want to check out eBay for the older formulations that I was able to obtain. They are truly beautiful. Good luck in your search and I hope that you are as pleased as I was with your purchase.

Update: I just checked eBay and there is a seller (perfumearth) that has a 3.3 oz bottle of EDP just like the bottle style I purchased for $139.90 except that it is a spray rather than a splash and they ship to your country. If you get a chance, check it out.

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Turns out one of my perfume friends has the original EDP and may want to sell it to me! I'm going to have a test first though!

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